tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7130675276562192399.post4179398924015811172..comments2023-10-05T14:24:44.565+02:00Comments on Lebanon Update: Promotion after death?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7130675276562192399.post-15284051275018324222007-12-31T08:42:00.000+02:002007-12-31T08:42:00.000+02:00@Super dude & M BashirThanks for the clarification...@Super dude & M Bashir<BR/>Thanks for the clarification. As for the situation in the Netherlands, I don't know. Medals itself will not give you a higher pension, but I would like to think the Dutch army also compensates soldiers who die in action.Riemer Brouwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08004688187411192302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7130675276562192399.post-70801056635323557022007-12-29T19:27:00.000+02:002007-12-29T19:27:00.000+02:00perhaps to ensure a higher pension for the survivi...<I>perhaps to ensure a higher pension for the surviving family members?</I><BR/><BR/>this is the main reason for the promotion, and it is also the reason for granting them the title: martyrs. The families get special compensations because of this.<BR/><BR/>A martyr (shaheed) in most of our organizations, if not all, is simply s/he who loses her/his life in the line of duty. The reasons for this are many and can be discussed of course, but basically this is it.Moussa Bashirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07669549981657166786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7130675276562192399.post-68758566920667125782007-12-29T19:20:00.000+02:002007-12-29T19:20:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Moussa Bashirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07669549981657166786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7130675276562192399.post-5649249654203575542007-12-28T19:34:00.000+02:002007-12-28T19:34:00.000+02:00I would argue, and would love to be proven inaccur...I would argue, and would love to be proven inaccurate, the following:<BR/><BR/>Using the following definition of martyr, "One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle" makes you no less of a martyr if you are paid to do it.<BR/><BR/>The word martyr has a slightly broader meaning in the Arabic language AND Arab/Lebanese psyche.<BR/>Martyr in English, as defined AND indicated in your Wikipedia reference, is not necessarily the exact same thing as shahid (martyr), or istish-had (martyrdom).<BR/><BR/>Close but no cigar.<BR/><BR/>As for the other question about the promotions, I guess it all depends on the customs of the country and it's military.<BR/><BR/>How does it work in the Netherlands? Purple heart? A medal of some sorts?<BR/><BR/>Ultimately, recognition is the word, and intention.<BR/><BR/><I>edit to discuss second point</I>Super Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16021330124375993823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7130675276562192399.post-77091544731592781352007-12-28T19:32:00.000+02:002007-12-28T19:32:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Super Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16021330124375993823noreply@blogger.com